Editor’s note: The Business Record periodically features a couple who are influential in the Greater Des Moines area, not only personally, but also together. After featuring Kyle and Sharon Krause last year, we asked readers who they would nominate to be the next Business Record Power Couple. We were flooded with nominations for Suku and Mary Radia.

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Suku and Mary Radia, in some respects, couldn’t be more different. 

He’s a go-go-go extrovert who loves people and can’t say “no” to requests for his time, energy and wisdom.

She loves nothing more than being able to curl up with her three cats and one dog and read a good book. Her best work often is done one-on-one with patients and students.

But together, the couple have achieved success not only in their individual careers, but also in raising three children to become well-educated young adults. Together, they have been involved in countless volunteer and civic efforts, raised millions of dollars for charitable causes, helped educate young people and donated untold hours and dollars toward making Des Moines a better place. 

Suku, by his own tally, has raised more than $5 million for various causes in the Des Moines area.

“I really know how to extract money from people. It’s a terrible thing to do, but I really enjoy getting money out of people for a good cause,” he said.

He’s known for his ability to connect with anyone and make them feel special as well as for his  friendships with many of Des Moines’ top leaders. Whenever you hear him talking about one of those leaders, describing them as “a dear friend,” you know the sentence is going to end with Suku enlisting their help with one charitable or civic campaign or another.

“I think it would be extremely difficult to find someone who would not talk positively about Suku and all he’s done for the community,” said Steve Chapman, retired CEO of Ruan Transportation Management Systems Inc.

Suku’s relationships, his business acumen and his insatiable drive to help make Des Moines better are the secrets to a success that has included the nearly universal opinion that he is Des Moines’ most respected and influential business leader. 

Together, they have had an admirable track record of professional success — she as a physician and educator and he as a businessman and CEO — not only because of their own considerable abilities, but also because of their support for each other. 

Suku praises his wife, saying her flexibility makes their marriage work. She is his sounding board for any speech he needs to give, and she supports his causes. He, in turn, is her biggest cheerleader, and he never lets a day go by without telling her he loves her and looking for ways to show that. 

Mary said being with Suku has changed her. 

“I was so shy when we were first married,” she recalled. (Now, Suku said, he’s the one giving his wife cues to wrap up the evening so they can go home.)

“I didn’t have any choice,” she said, laughing about her transformation. “He has me out every night! My mother called him Henry Higgins from “My Fair Lady” because he remade me.”

“I think they’re the perfect combination,” said Mashal Husain, a longtime friend. “They have very different personalities, but they complement each other very well and, together, bring a very different skill set to the community.”

Steve Zumbach and his wife, Kathy, have been friends with the Radias for four decades. 

“The strength in them comes from their differences. At the core of that is their respective culture,” Zumbach said. “Suku is from an Eastern culture, very disciplined, very focused. Mary, from the Western culture, is more informal and spontaneous. 

“There’s a strength that comes from a marriage of cultures. They have an advantage. In an odd way, differences attracted and in this case worked very well for them,” Zumbach said. “Homogeneity is easier in a relationship, but the potential is not as great.”

THEIR SPHERES OF INFLUENCE

Mary
Mary Radia believes she has been most influential with her patients.

Being a rheumatologist means “you get to know your patients really well and follow them long-term.” The specialty treats disorders of inflammation and chronic pain such as arthritis, fibromyalgia, osteoporosis, lupus, gout and blood vessel inflammation.

“I think I’ve had a positive impact on my patients,” Mary said. “I deal with a lot of patients with fibromyalgia and chronic pain issues, and I try to work with them to improve their lives. I don’t use narcotics to do it. I do a lot of teaching and explaining to patients so they understand what’s happening and ways they can work with it.” 

“That’s why I’m still working. I appreciate being able to help them,” she said. 

As a physician with an undergraduate degree in pharmacy, she’s also published research papers and done clinical trial research in her office on various new medicines because “I like to be able to offer patients new options when things don’t work for them or when, financially, they maybe can’t afford state-of-the-art treatments.” 

Suku, who says his wife is too modest, notes that her patients routinely praise her compassion.  

Her physician group, the Iowa Arthritis and Osteoporosis Center, with a dozen physicians and three physician assistants, is the largest rheumatology group in the country and draws patients from a radius of 100 to 120 miles of Des Moines. The group is becoming more entrepreneurial.

Formerly known as Mercy Arthritis Center, the group now owns its own building in Urbandale and works with both of the large hospital networks in town.

“We wanted to be able to provide care to all the different groups of patients, and since the medical community is changing and with the accountable care organizations, we didn’t want to get into a position where we would feel restricted, or they (the hospitals) would feel they have to bring in their own rheumatologists,” she said. 

Suku said his wife had considerable influence and was more hands-on in raising the couple’s three children, all of whom became well-educated young adults.

“We’ve encouraged them to go get the best education they can,” said Mary of the children, who live on the East and West coasts. “They can always come back here, but if they never leave, they can become afraid to go away and travel and experience new things. Go now while you’re young and you can do anything.” 

Mary has consistently volunteered her expertise and time in education and helping young people. She’s very involved with the Women’s Leadership Connection of United Way of Central Iowa, which raises money to ensure that preschool children are ready for school. 

Besides sitting on boards at her two alma maters, Drake University and Des Moines University, she has taught medical students and residents in her office. She also lectures at Mercy and UnityPoint hospital complexes, and she’s lectured at Des Moines University for the past two years. 

The couple are both involved with the World Food Prize Foundation. Mashal Husain, vice president of that organization, said Mary spends hours carefully reading essays submitted by high school students applying for World Food Prize summer internships. Not many benefactors would volunteer for such a task and devote such time to it, said Husain. 

Suku
It would be hard to find a Greater Des Moines business and community leader more respected and revered than Suku Radia. 

He’s stacked success upon success in his career, beginning as a certified public accountant at KPMG fresh out of college to becoming managing partner of the Des Moines branch of the firm, of one of the four biggest auditors in the country.  In that role he advised senior managers with several national and international companies, including the businesses of Des Moines trucking magnate and philanthropist John Ruan. 

From KPMG, he moved to Meredith Corp., where he was chief financial officer for eight years, before taking the job in 2008 as president and CEO of Bankers Trust Co., Iowa’s largest independent community bank, with consolidated assets approximating $4 billion.

His peers have repeatedly selected him as Best Metro Business Leader, Best Minority Business Leader and Most Influential Business Leader in recent years, and he’s been honored with just about every local civic award or accolade there is. 

His success and prestige are particularly fascinating, said his friend Kenneth Quinn, president of the World Food Prize Foundation, because they don’t stem from old money or having a famous family name.

“He has the personal power and influence that comes from being such a basically and thoroughly good human being. If Suku were to call and ask you to do something, there’s just no way to not do it,” he said. Quinn said he doesn’t say “no” to Suku because he and Mary were one of the first couples he was introduced to when the former U.S. ambassador returned to Des Moines to run the World Food Prize operation. 

“He has been such a valued adviser to me all along the way,” Quinn said, “helping to guide me in the intricacies of working in Des Moines. His roots were deeply planted here, and he kept me well-watered here. He has been just incredibly supportive and personally kind to me.”

Suku’s friends and peers practically fall over each other in a rush to be interviewed about him. 

“Suku rarely gets involved in anything that he doesn’t eventually lead. He truly is out to make every organization he gets involved in better,” said  Steve Chapman, who has worked with Radia in various community efforts since the two men were both in their 20s.

Zumbach, a friend for more than four decades called Suku “a very open and embracing person, self-effacing, makes people feel comfortable, not arrogant. As a result, people want to work with Suku.” 

Suku is candid about his discomfort with that kind of praise. Even though he routinely and happily nominates others for various business and community honors, he doesn’t like it when he is spotlighted.

“I really, really like honoring other people, and I absolutely do not like it when I am honored because I never do anything for the glory of it,” he said. “I never do anything because I want recognition. I am extremely comfortable in my own skin. I don’t need somebody to pat me on the back and tell me I did a good job. It’s just not part of my upbringing, and it really bothers me.” 

You don’t have to speak to very many people to realize that Suku’s influence stems from his relationships with people and from their respect for his track record of service to both his community and the individuals he meets.

He routinely spends his weekends mentoring younger professionals. His business acumen has been sought professionally, and he’s brought it to countless civic projects. He’s been involved with just about every major charitable or civic campaign in the area — from co-founding Des Moines’ junior soccer league when he was in his 20s, to the countless hours and significant financial contributions he and Mary make to United Way of Central Iowa, to the various fundraising campaigns he chairs for charitable organizations. 

Mary has perhaps the most intimate perspective of the source of her husband’s influence and power:

“When he was evicted from Uganda, he was really struggling because he had planned and expected to go back and take over the family business,” she said. “Realizing he couldn’t do that, he took on my roots here. He loves Des Moines and he loves the people, and everything he does is to try to make Des Moines a better place. I think people recognize that and appreciate that.” 

HOW THEY MET

If you know the Radias, you’ve probably heard the story of how they met. And if you know Suku, you know he loves to tell a good story, especially one that is self-deprecating. He figures he’s told this story about 5,000 times. 

Suku and Doug Grodt were dorm mates at Iowa State University in the early 1970s. Radia, of Indian descent, had come to the U.S. for college from Uganda, where his family had lived for four generations and had built a successful and diversified business in insurance, agriculture and real estate. Suku, majoring in business, economics and French, planned to return home after graduation and run the family business.

Instead, “my family was evicted from Uganda by Idi Amin. They lost everything and almost got killed and ended up in the U.K.,” he said.

Instead of going home to Uganda that summer, Suku got a job in Waukee with a startup company. He planned to commute from Ames to Waukee. Grodt, who was going to be working in Cedar Rapids for the summer, told him, “You really should spend the summer with my family in West Des Moines … and I’ve told them about you.”

Suku thanked him but declined his offer.

“Three days later, the phone rings at 6 in the morning, and it’s his mother calling, and she said, ‘Young man, you’re going to be spending the summer with us, do you understand?’ And I said to myself, ‘Good God, this woman sounds just like my mother, telling me what to do,’ so I said, ‘Yes, ma’am, I’ll be there.’ “

On his first evening with the Grodts, he joined them to watch television. “Their 16-year-old daughter came in with a bottle of Pepsi and sat down on the floor and shared the Pepsi with a parrot,” Suku recalled. “And I thought, ‘There’s the weirdest 16-year-old I’ve ever met.’ Eighteen months later, I married her.”

FOUR DECADES TOGETHER

First impressions aside, the young couple’s romance took off quickly. Mary believes absence, not proximity, was the catalyst.

“I was gone most of the summer, actually.” she recalls. She was traveling in Europe with a Roosevelt High School club. “Suku was shy around girls at that time, so he wrote letters to me, being more romantic than he probably would have been comfortable saying those things in person. So that’s how things got started. … There would always be a letter waiting for me at the next place we went.”

In December 1974, when the couple married, Mary had just graduated from high school (a semester early), and Suku was working for KPMG. He was 23 and she was 18. She started college at Drake University the next month, and he became a certified public accountant that year.

Twelve years later, Mary would finally complete her education, residency and a two-year fellowship in Iowa City. In the last week of her fellowship, their first child, Ryan, was born. 

The Radias have the stories you might expect about their early lean years. Tuesday night was date night. Their budget? $10, which bought discounted movie tickets, popcorn and two drinks, or dinner at a cheap restaurant.

Or how they didn’t own a lawn mower, so Suku would borrow Mary’s dad’s mower and inevitably would break it. (“In my own defense, we had servants in my family as I was growing up,” he interjects.) Mary, who describes herself as a “pick-your-battles type” told her husband that she knew he would rather be playing golf than mowing the lawn, so paying for a lawn service was a wise use of the couple’s limited funds.

The couple have been members of Des Moines Golf and Country Club for 39 years, and according to his longtime friend, Steve Chapman, Suku is an excellent golfer.

Unsaid, but readable between the lines, was the Radias’ ability to set ambitious goals for themselves and to work steadily, as a team, toward them. They bought a home early in their marriage, and by the time the couple had their first child in 1986, Mary was a physician and Suku had made partner at KPMG.

For those early years, Suku not only supported Mary’s education financially; he was her chief cheerleader. He encouraged her to go on to medical school after she graduated from Drake with a degree in pharmacy, nagged her about studying for tests, even though as he admitted, she didn’t seem to need the same preparation he needed as a student.

“Mary has never had a B in her life,” he said. “Mary was an exceptionally gifted student, and I probably pushed her along the way because she finished pharmacy school early.”

She, in turn, supported his passions. Most notably, in the early years of their marriage, Suku was dedicated about getting a youth soccer league started in Greater Des Moines. Before they ever had kids of their own, a 20-year-old Mary found herself the director of registration for the Greater Des Moines Junior Soccer League. Suku admits he “roped her into” the job because he already was the league president, a coach and a referee. “Mary was very helpful in that endeavor,” he said.

By the time they became parents, time, not money, was in short supply. They both had ambitious, demanding careers, as well as their own desires to serve their community. 

“We always had a nanny, but we always had a rule that one of us would be home at a civilized time,“ said Suku. Fortunately, Mary was wise in choosing the subspecialty of rheumatology because it does not entail a lot of emergencies with patients after hours.  

Mary’s workday ended at a regular time, but Suku had a more flexible schedule during the day, so he could take the children to doctor’s appointments when that was needed.

“We’ve always had great balance in our lives,” Suku said, but he gave much of the credit for that balance to his wife during those busy parenting years.

“Being a mother and having her career kept Mary extremely busy…” he said. “Like it or not, the children looked to Mary more than they looked to me because Mom was always there for them.”

Mary agrees that she was a little more hands-on with home and family than Suku, but adds that they never had to put one partner’s career before the other’s.

Their adult children live on the East and West coasts, and the Radias now have had several years without a child living at home.

“We’re probably at the stage in life where we are really enjoying each other’s company,” said Suku. “We’ve had a wonderful marriage, and more importantly, I probably have a lot more time to think about ‘What can I do to help her?’ Because she is so busy. So if I can come home and do certain things, like watering her plants (Mary is a container gardener) and carve out an hour to do that, I’m happy to do it.”

Mary supports Suku’s social nature and attends as many of his business social events as her schedule allows. In turn, when he is mentoring others or playing golf on the weekends, she’s happy to be alone.

“I don’t see myself as a golf widow,” she said. “I see myself as golf-liberated, because I have time to myself when he’s playing golf. And when he mentors on the weekends, that’s my time to kick back and relax because he’s always insisting we do something when he is here.”

“It is a complementary relationship and it comes from mutual respect,” said Zumbach. “Each had separate identities. Mary did not live in Suku’s shadow. She was successful in her own right and both are very independent.”

Zumbach said Suku relies on his wife’s counsel and without that advantage, Zumbach doubts they would have been able to achieve what they have.

“She’s a good observer and she takes the knowledge she observes and gives good counsel and there’s no one who needs it more than Suku. When you’re as intense as Suku, sometimes you need a rudder because you can move in a lot of directions or in the wrong direction. Being smart is not enough and he’s very smart,” he said.

Suku said he values his wife’s temperment. “Part of the reason the marriage works is that Mary is so flexible.” In turn, he never lets a day go by without telling his wife he loves her. 

“In all seriousness, I don’t ever fail to call her and tell her I love her,” he said. “During the day, I know she’s with patients, but I still call her.”

“He’ll leave me one or two messages a day,” Mary affirmed.

“Over the course of the years, we’ve just really been blessed with a good, sound marriage,” said Suku. “It’s not as if we were ever saying, ‘I’m really not looking forward to being home tonight.’ I’ve always been of the opinion that if you’re not happy at home, it will show up at work. I’m not sure I could function at work if I had an unhappy married life. I don’t know how people do it, but they do somehow.”

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Greater Des Moines without the Radias?

After four decades of serving the Greater Des Moines community, the Radias are approaching retirement with no commitment to stay in Des Moines.

Suku’s contract with Bankers Trust Co. is up in 2017. He’ll be 66 and a half.

“My desire to retire is zero. I love what I do,” he said. “On the other hand, we do a lot of succession planning. … I’ve built a really, really good team, and now is the time to let them run the show. And I have no doubt that they’ll do better than I did. I will probably stay on to help — not in an official capacity — but only if they want me.” 

“Hopefully he’ll be less intense when he retires,” said Mary, optimistically. “He’ll slow down and calm down and be able to sit and not do something.”

Suku’s work on corporate boards and nonprofits will keep him busy for a while, he says, until Mary decides to retire. 

And then what?

The couple doesn’t have firm plans. They doubt their children will return to Des Moines, but they would like to be involved in the lives of any grandchildren and help their children that way. So they might be living elsewhere in retirement.

“It’s a function of where our friends are. … We don’t really have any family here anymore,” said Suku. “Our family, in some sense, are our close friends, and who knows where they will be? But my suspicion is that we’ll still find ourselves anchored in Des Moines at least for part of the year.”

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THEIR NEXT BIG THING

The couple just returned from a trip to Heidelberg, Germany, in September, in which they used all-access passes to check out all the behind-the-scenes machinations of the Solheim Cup golf tournament. The women’s golf tournament is held every other year and features a U.S. team competing against a European team.

In 2017, the Solheim Cup will be in Des Moines, almost exclusively because of Suku. 

The Des Moines Golf and Country Club, which had hosted a successful U.S. Senior Open in 1999, approached Suku about hosting another big tournament. “And I got all excited about it,”  he said.

Suku was off and running on another big project. He started by traveling to Daytona Beach, Fla., where he met with senior officials from the Ladies Professional Golf Association, which would decide where the 2017 tournament would be held. Des Moines was competing against 16 other interested communities.

As is typical, Suku used his many connections to get others involved in the project. Lt. Gov. Kim Reynolds helped with a site visit. Several community leaders talked about the success of the U.S. Senior Open here, and he got communications experts to make a video and to put together a professional-looking proposal.

He had one condition he imposed on the Des Moines Golf and Country Club board: “I absolutely insisted that half of what we earn on this had to be donated to charities benefiting women and children in Central Iowa. And I got that in writing. I think the LPGA was blown away by the fact that there was a club that was willing to give half its profits to charity.”

Then the LPGA asked if he could find a global partner to write a check for $1 million to underwrite the tournament — something only two previous host cities had come up with. 

“Three days later, we faxed them a letter on the letterhead of the company that was willing to give a million,” said Suku, noting that he cannot yet release the name of that company, or another company that has agreed to provide $600,000 more. 

“They came back with: ‘You know, we’re going to have a really hard time denying Des Moines the Solheim Cup.’ I said, ‘I know.’ “

The Radias came up with the idea to have Iowans host the families of the golfers, and because the tournament is being held at the same time as the Iowa State Fair, Suku arranged with Gary Slater (a “dear friend” and manager and CEO of the fair) to provide combo tickets to the Solheim Cup and the fair. He told Slater there would be between 10,000 and 11,000 Europeans at the tournament who would be fascinated by a visit to the Iowa State Fair.  

He also was instrumental in getting the tournament broadcast globally on NBC over the weekend. Typically, the Golf Channel broadcasts the tournament on Friday, but the major networks have never wanted to pick it up on the weekends. 

“The LPGA told me they couldn’t get any network to do it. And I said: ‘You haven’t tried hard enough. I have some connections; I can get you on NBC…. Michael Gartner (former president of NBC News) is a dear friend, and I know that he knows Dick Ebersol (former chairman of NBC Sports) really well.’ So I did some name dropping. We never had to call Michael. The LPGA decided on its own because they would have been embarrassed if I’d gotten it and they wouldn’t have.”

THEIR ADVICE TO OTHER COUPLES

Suku: “First thing, you have to care about each other. That’s really, really important, and you can’t lose sight of that. If you start chasing your career and you forsake your family, is it really worth it? And the reason I say that is simply because I see so many people who go through so much turmoil as a result of a ‘me-my-I’ attitude. 

“With leadership, find something you’re really passionate about. Don’t go out and become involved in something in the community just because it’s a resume builder. Genuinely care about a cause and then become involved.”

Mary: “I would agree the marriage comes first.” She and Suku both warn that couples will go through hard times and challenges, but putting their relationship first will usually carry couples through. “The only thing we’ve ever argued about was in raising teenagers because he’s a ‘nip it in the bud’ person and I’m a ‘pick your battles’ person. So that’s the only thing in all these years that we’ve ever disagreed about.”

On leadership, “I think it’s harder for women to put themselves forward and try to get involved. You need to make the effort even when you have so many of those other things going on, and you may feel like there’s someone else more worthy.”

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What others are saying

Steve Chapman, retired CEO of Ruan Transportation Management Systems Inc.:

“Suku absolutely says yes too often and is overtaxed. A lot of people say yes too much, and then they can’t perform. When he says yes, he’s still going to get it done.” 

Mashal Husain, vice president of the World Food Prize Foundation: 

“Regardless of who you are or whatever he may have achieved, Suku makes everyone feel special. Everyone feels a special connection.” 

Mary is “a great humanitarian and a very thoughtful person.”

Kenneth Quinn, president of the World Food Prize Foundation: 

“What Suku does to promote and abet diversity —  Bankers Trust is the absolute leading business organization in that regard — it’s just breathtaking.”

“Mary brings as informed and thoughtful input as Suku. Together as a couple, they have a very dramatic and significant impact in all their philanthropy.”

Steve Zumbach, shareholder, Belin McCormick law firm:

“Mary is at her best in a one-on-one counseling type of situation. (That) serves her well in her profession as a doctor. She’s very nurturing, makes people feel comfortable.”

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Something you might not know about Mary

She loves shoes, particularly high heels. “My patients always like to see what heels I’m wearing, because they can’t wear high heels,” she says. When asked if she really wears high heels all day at work, she replies “Oh, I absolutely do!” 

Something you might not know about Suku 

He doesn’t sleep through the night. A chronic early riser, Suku is up no later than 4:30 every morning and usually out the door soon after for his morning workout. And that’s after he’s gone back to sleep a second time. “I sleep like a log, but I’m always up in the middle of the night for an hour.” he says  “He sends emails at 3:30 in the morning,” adds his wife. “It works for me, and then I go back to bed,” he says.

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Biographies

SUKU
Profession:  President and CEO of Bankers Trust Co.

Hometown: Kampala, Uganda

Age: 64

Education: Bachelor of Science degree in Industrial Administration (with distinction), Iowa State University

Board Service: Tournament chairman, 2017 Solheim Cup; vice chair and executive committee member, United Way of Central Iowa board and 2009 campaign chairman; executive committee member, Community Foundation of Greater Des Moines; executive committee member, Drake University; board chairman, Mercy Medical Center; Iowa State University Board of Governors; Iowa State University Accounting Advisory Council; past director of Greater Des Moines Botanical Garden; past chairman, Bravo Greater Des Moines; past president, Rotary Clubs of Des Moines and West Des Moines; past chairman, Greater Des Moines Partnership; past chairman, Greater Des Moines Committee; past president, Greater Des Moines Junior Soccer League; executive committee member, Des Moines Art Center; past chairman, Better Business Bureau of Iowa; leadership chairman, Oakridge Neighborhood Campaign; past board member, Des Moines Golf and Country Club

Honors: Pillar of Ray Character Award, 2015; Iowa State University Alumni Merit Award, 2012; Des Moines University Glanton Scholarship Award, 2011; Iowa State University Citation of Achievement Award, 1995; United Way’s Tocqueville Society Award, 2005; Mr. Habitat for Humanity, 2006; American Diabetes Association honoree, 2008; Iowa Council for International Understanding Passport to Prosperity Award, 2009; Spirit of Philanthropy Award, 2009; inducted into the Iowa Business Hall of Fame and named One Iowa Business Leader of the Year, 2010; and he has repeatedly been named Best Metro Business Leader, Best Minority Business Leader and Most Influential Business Leader by the Business Record

Hobbies: Golf and travel

MARY

Profession: Rheumatologist with Iowa Arthritis and Osteoporosis Centers in Urbandale; adjunct assistant professor at Des Moines University; adjunct clinical instructor, University of Iowa Hospitals and Clinics

Hometown: Des Moines

Age: 59

Education: Bachelor of Science in pharmacy (summa cum laude), Drake University; Doctor of Osteopathy (graduate with distinction), College of Osteopathic Medicine and Surgery (now Des Moines University); residency in internal medicine at Iowa Methodist Medical Center and the Veterans Administration Hospital; rheumatology fellowship in internal medicine at University of Iowa Hospitals

Board Service: Chairman, Academic Affairs Committee, Des Moines University, 2013-2015; member of Drake University board of  trustees, 1988-2000; member of President’s Commission on the Future of Drake University, 1987-88; medical advisory member of the Iowa chapter of the Lupus Foundation of America; board member of Arthritis Foundation, Iowa chapter, 1992-96 

Honors: Alumni Achievement award, Drake University, College of Pharmacy and Health Sciences, 1998; Tribute to Excellence award, Arthritis Foundation, 2003; Diplomate, American Board of Internal Medicine and Specialty Board of Rheumatology; various academic honors and awards

Hobbies: Travel, reading, gardening, birds and her three cats and one dog n